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not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in the meantime before you offer miranda rights, get some of america's best interrogators in there and you find out what this guy knows. is he connected to a larger cell? are there pending attacks? are there foreign links? where did the training come from? how did you learn to make the bombs? basic simple questions this we need to know because the safety and security of the american people in this case i think are paramount. >> sean, do you know who gave him his miranda rights? >> i don't know exactly who but we were told he was. >> a federal judge, a magistrate
not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in...
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you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life. and there was this finding from the judge, and this one is important. quote, i find that the defendant is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. he is aware of the nature of the proceedings. okay? so that is the basis for the discussion. joined by retired superior court judge isaac borenstein in boston. he's done hospital visits over his 22 years as a judge. let us begin with the idea, confusion and frustration about miranda rights. give them right away, if you don't give them, then this prosecution is astray. what is the basic understanding o
you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life....
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miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's extremely rare. i do criminal defense work. i can tell you, the most you can hope for in a miranda case is one or two statements will not make it into court. it's rare the whole case falls out unless everything -- >> so it's not the poison fruit thing? >> there is a poison fruit provision, standard. but it's very rare for it to pollute an entire case. >> let me ask you practically, why don't the law enforcement officials, the federal officials up there who have him in custody at the hospital, why didn't they just do this
miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's...
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. >> they can do that at any time even after they read him his miranda rights? >> yes, that's my view. >> so that changes nothing in view of their ability to interrogate? >> what it changes is their ability to question him and use any statement that he makes. that they're not allowed to do. >> he is apparently claiming -- >> they don't need that in this case. they got a mountain of evidence against this guy. >> right. they have testified it seems against him and his brother for the act they perpetrated. >> correct. >> what they will i'm sure be extremely curious to find out if they can is are they part of a wider group of either like-minded individuals who have been coordinating themselves reading stuff on the internet, videos and so on, which apparently is what he's claiming. whether they're attached to anybody in chechnya, for example, or islamic fundamentalist nature, et cetera, et cetera, how far can you go in terms of eliciting that information from somebody like him in his position once he's had his miranda rights read to him as he now has? >> my view is y
. >> they can do that at any time even after they read him his miranda rights? >> yes, that's my view. >> so that changes nothing in view of their ability to interrogate? >> what it changes is their ability to question him and use any statement that he makes. that they're not allowed to do. >> he is apparently claiming -- >> they don't need that in this case. they got a mountain of evidence against this guy. >> right. they have testified it seems...
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he does not need to see his miranda rights read to him in bed. laughable. >>steve: from what i've read this morning, apparently it was their mother who pushed them towards islam, a very extreme form of islam. you've got to wonder whether or not the widow of the older brother, who is now with her parents, knew anything. there she is right there. catherine russell tsarnaev. she reportedly didn't have any reason to suspect him. why? because she was apparently working 70 to 80 hours a week as a home health care aide. while she was away, he was supposedly taking care of the three-year-old toddler. >>gretchen: she had totally changed who she was. many people allege she had been brain washed by this radical islam thought, that she was a christian before, and three years ago she decided to convert. but not only just convert; really get into the depths of it and change exactly who she was. we saw her there in the garb. people who knew her in high school said she was nothing like she was before. she dropped out of college. she had aspired to become somebody and decid
he does not need to see his miranda rights read to him in bed. laughable. >>steve: from what i've read this morning, apparently it was their mother who pushed them towards islam, a very extreme form of islam. you've got to wonder whether or not the widow of the older brother, who is now with her parents, knew anything. there she is right there. catherine russell tsarnaev. she reportedly didn't have any reason to suspect him. why? because she was apparently working 70 to 80 hours a week as...
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jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national security legal system where we can interview him without a lawyer to gather intelligence to prevent a future attack, rather than having to negotiate through his lawyer to get any information. jenna: but, if i could, senator, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy about some of the information come being out about this investigation. >> right. jenna: we've all seen it, you know, played out on the news and otherwise. i would like to drill down a little bit into an even change you just had about the boston terror attacks with the s*epbg o secretary of home land se
jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national...
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all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done before in american history to have some sort of hybrid combatant and criminal proceeding. we do know from jake tapper's reporting, there was an interrogation of tsavraev. and he did disclose his position that there was no broader conspiracy here. just him and his pressure. it seems like the justice department and the fbi have done the kind of interrogation that at least -- that lindsey graham seems to want to have been done, perhaps not as extensive as it might have been. but there was a premiranda interrogation and authorities can work with that, at least now going forward. >> i think that's a fair point.
all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done...
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from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he might end up suffering. from what i've read and what i've seen, he's clearly as culpable as his brother. the videos that they picked up, and the statements that he made to the driver of the suv, all would indicate that he was a willing participant in this crime, and also the fact that he fled from the scene would further indicate his willingness to participate in this crime. however, any influence that he might have suffered from his brother, his brother's influence on him, may again go to mitigate any penalty that might be imposed upon him. whether he ends up getting the death penalty or whether he ends up
from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he...
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he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist prosecution. they don't have to prove intent to terrorize, intent to intimidate. they can prove their case just through the videotapes. now, i predict there are going to be two types of possible defenses in this case. number one, the jihad defense. i did it, i'm proud, i'm happy, please kill me, i want to join my brother in paradise. i'm a martyr. the other, my brother made me do it, i am innocent, look at my face, look at my high school record, i really didn't mean it, don't give me the death penalty. i think from what we have heard now, the jihad defense seems like it is off the table. he is prepare
he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist...
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it allows the justice department to delay reading a suspect his miranda rights if doing so is in the interest of -- quote -- "public safety." the administration had rightly invoked this public safety exception in the case of the boston suspect which provided our national security professionals a discreet period of time to gather intelligence from the suspect without the presence of his lawyer. however, soon after questioning him this way, the administration recently reversed itself and read the suspect his miranda rights. in doing so, the administration, in my view, gave up a valuable opportunity to lawfully and thoroughly question the suspect for purposes of gathering intelligence about potential future terrorist plots. whether we will be able to acquire such information has now been left entirely at the discretion of the suspect and his lawyer. put simply, the suspect has been told he has the right to remain silent, and if he doesn't want to provide intelligence, he doesn't have to. is this a responsible balance between a citizen's rights and our national security? the suspect had
it allows the justice department to delay reading a suspect his miranda rights if doing so is in the interest of -- quote -- "public safety." the administration had rightly invoked this public safety exception in the case of the boston suspect which provided our national security professionals a discreet period of time to gather intelligence from the suspect without the presence of his lawyer. however, soon after questioning him this way, the administration recently reversed itself...
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tsarnaev was read his miranda rights and nodded yet. the only word he spoke other than that was no when asked if he can afford a lawyer. congress will be briefed today. the complaint says when the first bomb went off every head turned towards the explosion except for tsarnaev. he walks away without his nap sack. tsarnaev told investigators he and his brother acted alone prompted by their religion and learned how to make bombs on the internet. one friend of the brother says they are shocked they are suspects. >> they never showed signs of any violence or wanting to harm people. they were great members of our society. i remember a great friendly giant. he cared for people. more on the reserved side. they respected life at one point and i don't know what happened. >> joining me from boston is michael tracking the new leads and joining the fvgz former white house counter terrorism official, an nbc analyst. it is good to have you here. i think you can hear what the mom is saying and also what friends are saying. i want to start with you beca
tsarnaev was read his miranda rights and nodded yet. the only word he spoke other than that was no when asked if he can afford a lawyer. congress will be briefed today. the complaint says when the first bomb went off every head turned towards the explosion except for tsarnaev. he walks away without his nap sack. tsarnaev told investigators he and his brother acted alone prompted by their religion and learned how to make bombs on the internet. one friend of the brother says they are shocked they...
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i don't care if you read people miranda rights. i just don't want you to shut down the intelligence-gathering process. that individual was never designated an enassembly combatant. only way he agreed to cooperate is f.b.i. flew to his family i and his parents convinced him. times square bomber, the times square bombing incident, he had pakistan/taliban ties. read miranda rights, never designated enemy combatant. we never terroristed him for intelligence gathering purposes. osama bin laden's soim, abu gazey is in the federal system today and read miranda rights. never designated enemy combatant. can you imagine what osama bin laden's son-in-law could tell us about the terrorist organizations? he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. so there's a disturbing pattern here, quite frankly, of not gathering intelligence when that opportunity exists. thank you very much. i have to go. i will get a pen and pad and go next door to answer any questions if you have about the f.b.i. and, again, we're going to absorb a moment of silence her
i don't care if you read people miranda rights. i just don't want you to shut down the intelligence-gathering process. that individual was never designated an enassembly combatant. only way he agreed to cooperate is f.b.i. flew to his family i and his parents convinced him. times square bomber, the times square bombing incident, he had pakistan/taliban ties. read miranda rights, never designated enemy combatant. we never terroristed him for intelligence gathering purposes. osama bin laden's...
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this is really the latest surrounding him right now we're not sure exactly whether or not he was his miranda rights were read to him that was been causing lots of debate earlier but certainly the charges have been brought to the case goes from here and as i had mentioned earlier on a stock to a lot of people are not happy with the fact that the white house thought that he will be charged in civilian court senator lindsey graham and others talked about treating. as an enemy combatant in order to gain information from him. when the public safety exception is stars and well here's this man in my view should be designated as a potential enemy combatant. but then he went on to say that he wants a federal trial in the u.s. court with him tried as a u.s. citizen and senator graham says that joe is not eligible for military commission trials so how do these two trials kind of differ can you give us some insight. when they can certainly if there's been much debate surrounding the way the hearts of should be tried certainly a lot of mostly republican lawmakers were advocating for him to be true. it is
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authorities have a question him about reading him his miranda rights. and altogether more formation however, the obama administration pointed out that they cannot charge as enemy combat, because the bombing suspect is a u.s. citizen. >> a memorial service was held yesterday's four lingi lu another victim chris campbell was laid to rest earlier in the day. a moment of silence was held to rob the victims'. the boston mayor except the american flag that have flown at half staff of the marathon finish line. it was symbolic transition at the fbi had a busy boston corridor crime scene back over to the city. >> the invitees police officer and was killed lay to rest tomorrow. vice- president joe biden is expected to attend. meanwhile wilson street will be open to residents and business owners tomorrow. >> we will continue to bring you the latest updates on the suspect in the victim of the boston marathon. >> coming up at 815 we have legal analyst jim hammer into talk more about charges of the 19 year-old faces. >> iran is deny any link to the two suspects start
authorities have a question him about reading him his miranda rights. and altogether more formation however, the obama administration pointed out that they cannot charge as enemy combat, because the bombing suspect is a u.s. citizen. >> a memorial service was held yesterday's four lingi lu another victim chris campbell was laid to rest earlier in the day. a moment of silence was held to rob the victims'. the boston mayor except the american flag that have flown at half staff of the...
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hadtimes square bomber, he pakistan and taliban ties and he was read his miranda rights and designated to enemy combatants. the son-in-law of osama bin laden is in the federal system today. he was read his rights. he has never been designated enemy combatants. can you imagine what osama bin laden's son-in-law catullus about the terrorist organization? he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. there's a disturbing pattern here of not gathering intelligence when the opportunity exists. thank you very much. i have to go. to answer next door any questions you have about the fbi. we will observe a moment of silence with the folks in boston. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> stakeholders from various industries and advocacy groups testified on capitol hill about the pros and cons of the senate gang of eight immigration bill. senator mccain, chuck schumer, dick durbin, lindsey graham, robert menendez, marco rubio, jeff blake, and michael bennet are the architects of the legislation. the first witness will be
hadtimes square bomber, he pakistan and taliban ties and he was read his miranda rights and designated to enemy combatants. the son-in-law of osama bin laden is in the federal system today. he was read his rights. he has never been designated enemy combatants. can you imagine what osama bin laden's son-in-law catullus about the terrorist organization? he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. there's a disturbing pattern here of not gathering intelligence when the opportunity exists. thank...
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. >> stephanie: the miranda rights not being read right away -- clearly that was an emergency. perhaps i'm not as versed of my civil liberties as i should be. >> in danger of being punted. >> stephanie: exactly. >> talking to you sorority girl. >> stephanie: kevin in dc. welcome. >> caller: good morning. what a sight for sore eyes as always. i mean you're a sight for sore eyes -- >> stephanie: sure. all right. thank you. >> caller: sorry. it's early what do you want? [ laughter ] >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: i was calling kind of in frustration. does everything have to be political? the boston tragedy, what has hand to those poor people i'm still horrified about it. but the caller that called you the day after and tried to ridiculously compare it to bush and the official that was babbled about the [ inaudible ] that had an ak 15. are these people human? how do we get to this point? i'm not all saying all democrats or liberals or progressives whatever you want to call it all have halos over their head but it appears to me we are not as reactionary as they are. there doesn't
. >> stephanie: the miranda rights not being read right away -- clearly that was an emergency. perhaps i'm not as versed of my civil liberties as i should be. >> in danger of being punted. >> stephanie: exactly. >> talking to you sorority girl. >> stephanie: kevin in dc. welcome. >> caller: good morning. what a sight for sore eyes as always. i mean you're a sight for sore eyes -- >> stephanie: sure. all right. thank you. >> caller: sorry. it's...